Simple, just asking

Akar said:

So, there’s a bully who gets expelled from over 120 schools and claims the institutions are entirely to blame.
Fine, I’ll accept that—120 institutions all had it in for you.
But now, unlike in the past, there is video evidence of his behavior, and perhaps—just perhaps—the schools were right.
Is it really possible that, prior to the video evidence, 120 schools were lying?
A simple question; I hope to get an answer

And why does this bully think he’s one of the chosen few, when he perpetuates the very actions he criticizes in others?

Am I the only one who thinks the math doesn't add up?


I mean, he’s been playing this card for over 2,000 years, but now that there’s video footage, his excuse doesn’t work anymore.

Especially since he’s actually doing the very things he accuses others of.

But given the kind of trials he’s conducted—with people left hanging by the neck—I think his turn is coming, seeing as there is video evidence of how he treated others.


Is this a double standard ?


-Giammarco

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Giammarco, I love you Brother, but I’m not down with this.

I think it’s a fair conclusion to reach to say that genocide should be wrong on both sides, and is inexcusable - entirely.

Akar said:

why ? one life matters more than another?

A genocide is different from another ????

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You know I don’t believe that.

Because you are talking about an entire race of people.

Erik Alberto said:

You know I don’t believe that.

Because you are talking about an entire race of people.

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He is referring to a specific group of people within, not the entire race itself. It seems necessary to talk about an entire race of people - who are being killed though.

As a human being, I sometimes wonder how God can accept or love me when I am of the same creation that inflicts such horrors.

I know my country is not innocent and most countries have engaged the savagery of war at some point in their history.

Akar said:

I mean, he’s been playing this card for over 2,000 years.

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Misty said:

I think it’s a fair conclusion to reach to say that genocide should be wrong on both sides, and is inexcusable - entirely.

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Misty said:

He is referring to a specific group of people within, not the entire race itself. It seems necessary to talk about an entire race of people - who are being killed though.

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@Akar said:
Fine, I’ll accept that—120 institutions all had it in for you.
But now, unlike in the past, there is video evidence of his behavior, and perhaps—just perhaps—the schools were right.

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This is an indirect reference to the Jewish people and Judaism in general, extending much earlier than Zionism ever existed. Antisemitism has been defined as including sweeping negative statements about the Jewish people. However, I realize that it is possible to criticize a subset of the Jewish people without criticizing Jews as a whole. But the critical piece here in the initial post is the reference to 2,000 years, which predates Zionism. That said, genocide is wrong.

Akar said:

So, there’s a bully who gets expelled from over 120 schools and claims the institutions are entirely to blame.
Fine, I’ll accept that—120 institutions all had it in for you.
But now, unlike in the past, there is video evidence of his behavior, and perhaps—just perhaps—the schools were right.
Is it really possible that, prior to the video evidence, 120 schools were lying?
A simple question; I hope to get an answer

And why does this bully think he’s one of the chosen few, when he perpetuates the very actions he criticizes in others?

Am I the only one who thinks the math doesn't add up?


I mean, he’s been playing this card for over 2,000 years, but now that there’s video footage, his excuse doesn’t work anymore.

Especially since he’s actually doing the very things he accuses others of.

But given the kind of trials he’s conducted—with people left hanging by the neck—I think his turn is coming, seeing as there is video evidence of how he treated others.


Is this a double standard ?


-Giammarco

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Additionally, I want to mention that it’s the tone and implication of the OP that I object to, not a discussion about the Israeli – Palestinian dispute about a piece of land, in general.

I want to make it very clear that I am not taking sides on this very complex problem. I think there is some validity to some of the claims of both of them. But, to step outside of that debate specifically, is very dangerous ground.

If I came across a post that I felt was racist by a Jew directed at Palestinians, I would say something very similar to what I’m saying here.

I am against racism of all kinds and the genocide of any people.

I empathize with the plight of your people, G. That said, I also empathize with the Jews in their plight, as well.

As I have said elsewhere, this shit is a fucking mess. That’s my stance. That’s my calling. That’s my role to play in the world concerning this and most things like it.

And truly—it is also my opinion that if it ever comes down to the eradication of the human species, it will conceivably come as a result of this debate, before anything associated with global warming or AI.

This is one conversation where my idealism evaporates. That is how fucked I think this whole thing really is.

I’m not gonna touch your “simple question“. As I stated at the outset, I have love for you, Brother, I think I understand why you feel the way you do, why you are asking the question that you are, and you are entitled to your opinion, but I entered this conversation because I think the OP is racist, G. You’re not gonna get me to talk about double standards or the debate about land. I made my position clear and I think this is where I exit the conversation.

I don’t expect anyone will feel comfortable “liking” any of my posts on this thread, or even like them at all—that’s fine. I felt that someone needed to say what I have.

The op is racist. The Genocide is real.

To @Asa’s post:

For me, the villains are the Israeli far right and those who have given them a measure of power in exchange for political self-interest. We know who they are. The far right extends from government to the guy in the street and also beyond, because I think the far right mindset is culturally infecting a disproportionate number of disaffected citizens across the world today.

Among those, there will almost certainly be a genocidal intent towards the Palestinians, led by figures such as the loathsome Ben Gvir who would probably have made, say, a savage SS Governor-General of occupied Poland - as a random historical comparison. I wonder if he's ever thought of it like that that? I suspect there's a buried part of himself that would perhaps even welcome the comparison. It's not nations or ethnicities, but characters.

I think the focus on genocide and the resistance to the label are down to the fact that the Holocaust was a catalyst, perhaps the catalyst, for the formation of Israel and its continued existence. There's huge symbolic significance in laying the blame for another one at their feet. But not every Israeli is genocidal minded, and not every genocidal minded person is an Israeli: this conflict in its current form is perhaps the epicentre of a rightward drift in politics across the world from the Americas to Russia. Leveraged through local circumstances its results can range from blocking off a few streets in Dover overnight to mounting invasions of other countries. In Israel it has produced a foolishly complacent, rabid dog, straining on the end of its own leash and brazenly biting at the hand that feeds it as Christian symbols and places of worship are desecrated by yobbish junior soldiers as American public approval rates decline. Far right nationalism is the enduring international pandemic of the 2020s.

But the triumphalism of their far right will be Israel's undoing because they are politically and culturally alienating the country's most valuable social class, the highly educated scientific elite who are the backbone of their prosperity and military edge. They are quietly leaving.

Erik Alberto said:

This is an indirect reference to the Jewish people and Judaism in general, extending much earlier than Zionism ever existed. Antisemitism has been defined as including sweeping negative statements about the Jewish people. However, I realize that it is possible to criticize a subset of the Jewish people without criticizing Jews as a whole. But the critical piece here in the initial post is the reference to 2,000 years, which predates Zionism. That said, genocide is wrong.

Additionally, I want to mention that it’s the tone and implication of the OP that I object to, not a discussion about the Israeli – Palestinian dispute about a piece of land, in general.

I want to make it very clear that I am not taking sides on this very complex problem. I think there is some validity to some of the claims of both of them. But, to step outside of that debate specifically, is very dangerous ground.

If I came across a post that I felt was racist by a Jew directed at Palestinians, I would say something very similar to what I’m saying here.

I am against racism of all kinds and the genocide of any people.

I empathize with the plight of your people, G. That said, I also empathize with the Jews in their plight, as well.

As I have said elsewhere, this shit is a fucking mess. That’s my stance. That’s my calling. That’s my role to play in the world concerning this and most things like it.

And truly—it is also my opinion that if it ever comes down to the eradication of the human species, it will conceivably come as a result of this debate, before anything associated with global warming or AI.

This is one conversation where my idealism evaporates. That is how fucked I think this whole thing really is.

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He isn’t making an indirect reference to the Jewish people in the original post, Erik. He is making reference to the genocidal subset. This much is clear to me when I read it.

There is, therefore, validity in posing the question as to whether the behavior of this subset of people began long ago and became the catalyst to a growing spirit of disdain which led to ALL Jews being painted with the same brush stroke - allowing a mindset whereby it was easier for the masses to dehumanize the entire Jewish race, the same type of genocide of an entire race that is now occurring in Palestine.

When the propaganda of a subset of people, irrespective of race or faith, is allowed to infect the world to the point where the “enemy” is seen as sub human.. then we have a problem.

It would be pretty weird, by the way, for OP to be a true racist against all Jewish people considering he’s with me and my entire family on my father’s side are percent Jewsish. My grandmother Russian Jew, and my grandfather Polish Jew.

And naturally, my own father. Jewish blood runs through my veins.

In the same way one can call out the Nazi’s but not hate or discriminate against all Germans, the OP asks the same question.